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Tinkerbelle - was: [Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust]

Post by marcexec » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:33 pm

Hi,

I'd like to present our Mini:

- it's a 1l engined '84, around 47k Miles
- the mechanics seem sound
- after fighting the rust we want a respray in BRG
- the bodykit is for sale, we would like to give it a classic look

We are from Germany and recently moved to Kildare Town, so any advice how/where to get things is very much appreciated.
In general I think I can handle everything except welding and real good resprays.
I plan to remove all the surface rust and apply some Hammerite in the interior and boot area.

Of course we will come to Mondello, it would be nice meeting some of you there!


I would appreciate tips on who would be a good welder / panel beater in the area, or where i can get a quality respray.

some pics

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restauration

Post by StevenR » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:02 pm

Willkommen,
Looks like you have a nice project on your hands there. I'm sure you'll be able to get plenty of advise of people on Sunday with regards the body work. Keep us all updated with the progress.

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by The Marcos Graveyard » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:52 pm

Hi Marc and welcome to the forum, you'll find most of us will be in Mondello at the weekend and you will get a chance to chat to other Club members from Co. Kildare, commonly known as the M.I.C.K's,( Mini's In County Kildare ), have a look at their cars and find out where they got them sprayed.

Ian from Mini Quip will be there also , he carries a lot of spares and panels and is based in the North but he makes it down to a good few shows throughout the year.

Other than that many people just order stuff in from England from the likes of Somerford who seem to be very quick and helpful.

See you Sunday,
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by joe f murray » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:27 pm

hi you have a nice we car there. i have some body panels if you are interested. i have 2 front wings / full front panel / and a bonnet all new i bought them for a project and then changed my mind. so if you are interested in them you can pm me or give me a call on 087 7517831.
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by just_st3v3n » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:44 am

welcome to the forum..
thats a nice job ya have ahead of ya there i have pretty much done all what you are about to do :mrgreen: here check it out http://irishminis.ie/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2480
if ya want a hand wit the welding let me know...

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:29 pm

Thanks,
(und Dankeschön für das "Willkommen" :D )

We are really looking forward to Mondello.

Any suggestions on what has to be done / is the most sensible thing to do with the shell? Should we replace panels or can they be saved with a little welding.

For Rust Proofing I am looking at http://www.rustaway.ie/catalog/product_ ... ucts_id=29
Any experience with that?

@Steven: I would appreciate your offer, but aren't you a little far away? Isn't Cavan 130kms to the north of Kildare Town? That's what Google says, anyway ;-)

And since we are only 20kms from Mondello: If someone has a longer way to travel, I think I could convince my wife that we can offer B&B for fellow Mini enthusiasts on Saturday to Sunday morning.
Give me a call for that: 086/8951758 / Marc
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by just_st3v3n » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:12 pm

ah im not working so it only seems like a short spin up the road...
the drive to dublin would be more or less the same which i do quite often...

i my opinion i would say to get a whole new front end it looks pretty bad from the pics, the cost of the panels isnt oh so much and you might even consider a fibreglass flip front..
the footwell can be patched up i reckon, the cracking is just the rubber floor insulation give the rust a rub with a wire brush and you might find its just surface rust...
a patch can be made up for the rear arch if its just that hole but if the lip/around it is rusty a replacement panel can be bought..
also expect to buy some new inner/outer sills..

im going to mondello on saturday so prolly be talking to ya there :)

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:09 pm

Yeah, I already gathered that from your present thread.

How will I recognize you guys, anyway?
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by The Marcos Graveyard » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:21 pm

Steven will be easy to spot, he'll have a hi-vis jacket on.
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by just_st3v3n » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:02 pm

good point marc...
The Marcos Graveyard wrote:Steven will be easy to spot, he'll have a hi-vis jacket on.
:o how did you know that neill!!!!?????????

il start a thread on this cuz i still dont have a clue on peoples names faces etc...

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:34 pm

To clear up 2 things:

1.)
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That's me. :shock:

2.)
the offer of B&B Saturday to Sunday still stands (wife says OK). Price: one educated look at CPoR and a whole lot of advice.
We actually have a 4 bedroom house for just 2 people and a dog. There's place for 5 and for another Mini on the driveway :D
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:48 pm

This evening I found some time and good weather to hammer and wire-brush away some rust and much much more filler. What was left of the roof had been completely "restyled". No wonder if you look at all the dents.

I have made some pics so that you can give advice on which panels to keep and which to buy new. If possible we would like to buy them at Mondello.

Most importantly would you remove what's left of the roof? Are there panels available? You can see some holes an there is surface rust on the inside. The sills are OK. The front probably isn't worth restoring, is it?

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:50 pm

My wife just complained that I do not like "her" Mini (because of CPoR) and that it will be BRG. Also she says that it is more lovely than those "evil" photos show (probably she thinks ther may be good parts, too). :roll:
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by just_st3v3n » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:27 pm

that looks like a lot of work... :shock: <---- dont be put of by that comment though :mrgreen:

whole front end and bonnet here cheap enough, he going to mondello too
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by kenno » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:26 am

looks great. Welll done!!
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:46 pm

kenno wrote:looks great. Welll done!!
Thanks, we've only just begun.

BTW are you on some kind of nightshift? 4:30 AM! :shock:
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by joe f murray » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:26 pm

Hi, just in case you think I did a runner with your money, Steven hasn't contacted me about collecting the parts yet. They're ready and waiting.

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:47 pm

Thx, Joe, worked out nicely.

I'll update this thread tomorrow.
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by Jozi » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:22 pm

marcexec wrote:Thx, Joe, worked out nicely.

I'll update this thread tomorrow.
Where's the update :D

I know you've been working Steven pretty hard the past few days, poor lad :P

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:44 am

Jozi wrote: I know you've been working Steven pretty hard the past few days, poor lad :P
Us too!

I tried to send pics to work, now I've got them:

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We basically did some cleaning and applied the 2-component rust proofing (Epoxy Mastic, rustaway.ie) which ist quite thrifty: ~50ml for the hat-rack and edges, 125ml for the rest.
I think it's quite cool, it is not as soft as stone chip, btw.
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:41 am

more pics

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the parts chaos

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rear subframe still in

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front removed partially

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our great help & welder Steven (D_3m0_n), though he's not familiar with German electric drills (insider)

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front out, the new one is aready partially in, but we didn't make any pictures yet (they will come, I promise!)

when we removed the rear subframe, the pipe around a shock broke (rusted away) so I ordered 4 new ones and new bushes as well from OLD SKOOL MINI PARTS through eBay. Nice guy, called him afterwards to add a gasket that wasn't in his shop. His offer was cheap on shipping, have to see about the rest.
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:33 pm

just shopped for some tools, found those a good offer and ordered:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tap-Wrench-set-M5 ... 7C294%3A30


and

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0307552711

just thought it might interest someone
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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Structural Integrity?

Post by marcexec » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:41 pm

Structural Integrity
(yes, I know, too much StarTrek)

This evening the guy who'll probably do the paint job went by and said that this yoke/half-cage thing is not enough for a convertible Mini shell.
He said the body will twist when stressed. The cracks on the bodykit might have been an indication...

What do you guys think?

Some pics of the present state and the work Steven had done on Tuesday. The offside part of the front has to be re-done because it did not line up perfectly. You can also see where the yoke is attached.

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by marcexec » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:51 pm

Suggestion:
would it make sense to add some 3 by 3 or 4 by 4 cm steel pipe in those places?

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Re: Our '84 Convertible Pile of Rust - Full body restoration

Post by macker » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:55 pm

i would tend to agree!

from past experience of cutting a roof off a mini without any strengthening bars in place when you open both doors at the same time and step in, thats it! body folds in two!

you need a lot more strengthening in a mini convertable!
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